[webaccessibile] WCAG2 all'inferno?

[Marcello Cerruti]

Marcello Cerruti:
Dalla mailing list WSG, Oggetto: [WSG] CSS is dead... use markup for  
presentation. Ecco alcuni estratti:

Gunlaug Sørtun:
<sarcastic pony>
Looks like most efforts towards separation of content and presentation
may cause severe accessibility-failures[1] in the future.

Looks like there will be no need/use for valid markup either - according
to the latest WGAC 2.0 draft.
Ref: article on ALA[2].

Time to go back to presentational markup - before some /body/ at W3C
forces us into doing so? :-)
</sarcastic pony>

Oh, well... it looks like all those W3C /bodies/ are pretty busy trying
to make each other, and standard-based web design, irrelevant.

Which parts/paths do you think we should choose to follow?

Seriously
	Georg

[1]http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/#F1
[2]http://www.alistapart.com/articles/tohellwithwcag2

Al Sparber (1):
It's hard to tell who the good guys are :-)
http://wcagsamurai.org/

Lachlan Hunt:
In principle, it's a very good idea for the community to begin  
addressing accessibility issues and the serious problems with WCAG  
2.0 themselves, but my main concern with the the WCAG Samurai is this:

| ... another thing we’re not going to do is run a totally open
| process. It’s a viable model for standards development, one I
| have championed in another context, but in web accessibility
| it is proven not to work.
     -- http://www.alistapart.com/articles/tohellwithwcag2

| WCAG Samurai will toil in obscurity for the foreseeable future.
| Membership rolls will not be published, and membership is by
| invitation only.
     -- http://wcagsamurai.org/

While I do have the utmost respect for Joe Clark and the other  
invited members (I could be wrong but I expect them to include, among  
others, Gez Lemon, John Foliot and Gian Sampson-Wild), but working on  
this behind closed doors seems like a huge mistake to me.

In fact, it seems down right hypocritical of Joe to discredit the  
WCAG 2.0 working group process on the grounds that it and, indeed,  
the results themselves are inaccessible to a wide audience; only to  
go ahead and make the WCAG Samurai process inaccessible to, and  
hidden away from, all but the few invited elite.

I will admit, however, it may be too early to pass judgement on the  
WCAG Samurai right now, and it's only fair that we let them give it a  
shot. After all, the members are unlikely to be weighed down by  
absurd corporate interests, but rather have the best interests of  
both web developers and end users in mind.

Marcello Cerruti:
Sembra che Lachlan Hunt la pensi esattamente come me, si ceda la mia  
replica di qualche ora fa, che terminava con un più sintetico "No  
Comment"

Marcello Cerruti